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... and I think, because of Mr. Norman and his ilk, the next President of the United States of America will default to John McCain. It may not even be a contest.

How close the race is will be determined by McCain’s ability (or inability) to defend his position on “The War.”

But I’m not much into politics or pop culture these days.

Jim: “... and I think, because of Mr. Norman and his ilk, the next President of the United States of America will default to John McCain. It may not even be a contest.”

You may be right. But I think not.

I’m just not sure exactly how to say it in a way that won’t inflame someone. I guess that’s the nature of the subject.

How about this question: do you think there are people who will vote for Hillary, but have too much racism in their heart to vote for Obama? If so, do you think they outnumber the over 3.5 million new voters so far in this election?

Because that’s where the tipping point is on “this issue.” How many Democrats are too racist to vote for Obama? So much so that they will ignore their political principles and vote for McCain, as opposed to simply staying home?

When I saw your headline, my first thought was someone was making fun of the not so curious George W.

Reid: ... do you think there are people who will vote for Hillary, but have too much racism in their heart to vote for Obama?

Short answer: Yes.

Reid: If so, do you think they outnumber the over 3.5 million new voters so far in this election?

I don’t know from numbers but White Men in the New Jersey, New York, and Florida did not go out of their way to vote for Obama. California, however, did. As did Illinois.

Will the difference be 3.5 million votes? Will they go to McCain? Maybe.

As far as I know (again, I haven’t been paying as much attention as I usually do), McCain doesn’t make Democrats feel as icky as your run-of-the-mill conservative Republican. Throughout his career, McCain has reached across party lines, often to the ire of his party mates.

All that said, I think more Democrats will jump to McCain than Republicans will jump to Obama.

Reid: How many Democrats are too racist to vote for Obama? So much so that they will ignore their political principles and vote for McCain, as opposed to simply staying home?

I don’t think that they’ll “ignore political principles.” I think they’ll either assimilate McCain’s and/or reconcile their principles with his.

I think it’s sad to say, but this country is still racially divided. I’m am still surprised when, every now and then, a Caucasian makes a racial comment to me (or around me) thinking that I’d be complicit.

This river runs deep.

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All that said, I’m surprised that Obama made it this far. Even if I don’t support Obama and he wins the election, I’ll be a little prouder of my country for it.

do you think there are people who will vote for Hillary, but have too much racism in their heart to vote for Obama?

Without. A. Doubt.

You’re all depressing me.

I get a hopeful comment like this one from Mel, that makes me think, “maybe, maybe, we’re about to really turn a page here.” Then this comes up. And this.

It’s also notable that on the page with that story they have a poll, asking “What do you think of the Obama T-shirt?” The results? 47.97% (5504) think “It’s racist” and 52.03% (5971) think “It’s fine.”

Yes, I’m so proud of Georgia today.

I’ll go ahead and say it: my thoughts were that perhaps 15% of this country can be expected to vote against Obama strictly on race, and 98% of them wouldn’t have voted for a Democrat anyway. Therefore, not a factor.

Obviously, I could be wrong. And if so, it will be likely my peers who do it; those my age and older.

You’re all depressing me.

I’m going to really depress you now and I’m going to go back five years or so here, when I was living in my last house:

The house across the street was a summer home for someone who lived in North Jersey. We were friendly in the wave-to-the-neighbor sort of way, but we never had a real conversation, never shared a meal, never had a beer together.

In short, we didn’t really know each other.

When he decided to sell his house he said to me, “Don’t worry. I won’t sell to any niggers.”

Has my ex-neighbor’s views changed in five years? Have times changed in five years? No way.

This river, as I said, runs deep.

That said, I think we’ve gotten better even in my adult lifetime (some 25 yeas); but we’ve still a long way to go.

I hope MDA has the good sense to turn down their donation.

I’m just wondering how long it will be before we get a version of the “Call Me” ad that ran against Harold Ford. When it comes out, McCain will “protest” it, but somehow the ad (and others of the same ilk) will still run. And Turncoat Joe Lieberman will hit the talk shows pointing out that the ads are really very reasonable and express things that are on voters minds.

And we’ll find out. Will find out if the past 7 1/2 years of sliding down this bottomless pit are finally enough for enough Americans to say, “That’s it! We’ve had it with you and all your stupid wedge issues!” Or if instead, enough of us end up voting against our own self interest as a nation and drag us all down for another 4-8 years.

All I know is, intelligent people of either party should condemn this crap, and they should condemn it vigorously enough that the hate and stupidity behind it will be afraid to show its faces. I can think of any number of conservative Republicans from the 50s-60s and 70s era that would be appalled and disgusted by a lot of the things that are going on today, including my own parents.

In the article, I wrote, “I’m betting once Universal’s barrel o’ lawyers catch a whiff of this, they will shower Mr. Norman in a hail of ‘cease and desist.’”

Since I am now seeing Georgia broadly painted as a state of racists (again) on other sites as a result of this story, I decided to pass on that “whiff” myself via email moments ago.

Even given the vagaries of email routing from their corporate contact form at such a large company, I’d put money on a C&D by C.O.B. Wednesday.

We voted for Obama here in Illinois because he did a damn good job in the Illinois Senate and even better since becoming a state senator. He’s level-headed, even-tempered, he listens to people who disagree with him and is himself open to change based on new information. And he is a US Constitutional scholar. I am torn between wanting him to be president or on the supreme court.

Personally I’m also happy that he has lived overseas, he actually knows something about other religions, and recognizes that our country does not belong to any one group.

It is true that some people oppose him for non-racist, legitimately political reasons. But having lived both in the midwest and in the south, there is not an atom of doubt in my mind that racism flows just beneath the shiny surface of many anti-Obama voters.

He must be one of those “white working class Americans” I’ve been hearing about so much lately. I have to say, that’s the best euphemism for trash I’ve seen so far. On MSNBC today, I think they were referred to as “low income, low-educated Americans” or something close to that.

There’s no doubt there’s still quite a bit of racism out there, but out here in the West, it doesn’t seem to be as deep as it would be where I grew up in Virginia, and we elected the nation’s first (and only) black Governor about 20 years ago. Out here, people tend to level the bigot gun at the Hispanics more than anyone else.

I think it comes down to how “black” white people perceive Obama to be, which is why Hillary was trying so hard to raise the Rev. Wright issue and why Republicans will do the same. They’re not going to attack him directly, but they will do their best to make him seem really black to those “low income, low-educated” voters.

First, the Dems have been cruising along without these folks for years anyway. The southern states flipped across the board, with GA being the last to fall in 2002. The only place the K club is still in the party is in Appalachia (y’all probably noticed this over the past several weeks).

Second, the GOP has far, far worse problems this year. Yes, this sounds far-fetched, but so do the actual events of the past decade.

Third, this Barack Obama fella is one serious dude.

To sum up: I ain’t skeered.

Whiff received:

The publishing company that owns the Curious George image says it is considering legal action to stop the sale of a T-shirt depicting Barack Obama as the monkey from children’s books.

Rick Blake, a spokesman for publisher Houghton Mifflin Harcourt, which owns Curious George, said Wednesday that the company didn’t authorize the use of the character’s image, but hasn’t been in touch with anybody selling or manufacturing the shirts.

“We find it offensive and obviously utterly out of keeping with the value Curious George represents,” Blake said. “We’re monitoring the situation and weighing our options with respect to legal action.”

Hmm, this is slightly depressing..and exhilarating all at once…

Can I tell you something very personal?

For those of you who don’t know, I am a young black woman, And…

at first, I was afraid to support Obama.

“Why?” you might ask: because I was afraid of failure. Discomfort.Inconvience.
And yes, the negative situations like the above Reid linked to(http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/12/AR2008051203014.html.)

I was terrified that if Obama ran, and made headway, the scars in this country would be opened and start to bleed. I was right, up to a certain extent.

But it is not all bad.

When stupidity, bigotry, and racism rears its ugly head, the diginity, unity, and strength of people, white and black alike, are like bright lights in a dark, dreary place.

When I see problems, I make solutions.
When I read about how some whites want to ‘hang the blackie’,I just give extra love to my white brothers and sisters passing me on the street. I hold the door open a few seconds longer for you. I let your car in front of mine when you try to merge in traffic.
I refuse to give up hope.

Even now, a little part of me is scared of Obama winning. I wonder if I will have to stay in the house at night afterwards, so I won’t have a brick thrown at me, or hear a passing voice murmur the word ‘nigger’...I wonder because this has happened to me

Without Obama running…

But fear is a funny thing. It is like hope. It can bring out the best in a person. Or it can condemn you to a depressing state of humanity; a state in which taking risks, and reaching for change seems like the finish line in a marathon…

impossible.

But I will not be depressed. Or afraid.
I will be strenghtened.
I will struggle for better.
And change must come.

Love the shirt!
Where do people get the idea that we actually elect our president!
Wow, now i am no conspiracy nut but just a little research into the subject leads me to believe that our presidents and elections are merely controlled by money /power brokers in high places. We have three picks this particular year hillary obama or mccain. all are variations on a theme, puppets controlled by money and power behind the curtain. thanks for listening!

Mel has quickly become my favorite commenter at this site, passing my previous favorite, me.

Bea, no thanks necessary, really.

Yes, as I noted, you’re all depressing me … except for Mel. Her words give me hope for the future.

And she ain’t even running for office!