Thu. May 15, 2003
The Saudis Are Our Friends, and Our Murderers
The Saudis Are Our Friends, and Our Murderers – I feel like I’m a bit late to the story of the Riyadh bombings, but frankly, it took a 24 to 36 hours for us to get the most basic information out of the Saudi government/media … how many killed and wounded, what nationalities, and by exactly what means. Such are the wonders and efficiencies of government controlled press in a closed society.
“We say to the people of the United States, as your friend and ally, you can rely on us to do our part as we have done in critical times in the past. We will continue to hunt down the criminals, we will continue to cut off their finances and we will bring them to justice.”
Those are the words of the Saudi ambassador to the United States, Prince Bandar. And they make me want to vomit all over his expensive shoes.
A Presidential envoy was sent to Saudi Arabia just to warn of impending attacks. The ambassador within Saudi Arabia pleaded for added security at the residential complexes, “on several occasions.” That didn’t draw significant Saudi cooperation, so why should we expect it now? Or ever? This is just another chapter in a long sad tale of reluctant help from a slow “friend.”
Prince Bandar says we can rely on them to do their part. But we did rely on them, in ways big and small. In the “small” terms of this one event, we warned them, we pleaded for help, and now families mourn their lost loved ones while Bandar spins in safety. And in a much larger way, we’ve long relied on them to create a society that doesn’t give birth to murderous wrath that spills out on innocents around the world, or at the very least, to examine why it does.
They have found many ways to fail us, our friends the Saudis. And now they have yet another new chance.
So, here’s the kind of cooperation we’ve gotten lately: the bombs went off Monday night, but the investigative team from the FBI and the State Department has been cooling its heels in Germany for nearly 48 hours … waiting for Saudi permission to enter the country (it came yesterday, and they finally departed this morning). And there was apparently enough concern that the FBI team was reduced from 12 to 6 members, so the Saudi’s wouldn’t feel overwhelmed by a large investigative presence.
You know how one dozen Americans can dominate an entire country simply by setting foot in it. And it is more important to not offend the Saudis than to have the manpower you need to investigate the murder of Americans. We are expected to rely on the Saudi authorities, when it’s clear some of them are nearly drowning in a river of denial.
For example, Saudi Interior Minister Prince Nayef said “the fingerprints of al Qaeda could be seen all over the attacks,” and then oddly added, “Foreign hands supported the attacks. This is clear from the identity of the terrorists who have received training in Afghanistan from al Qaeda.”
Foreign hands? It was 15 Saudis who plotted and executed this attack (or so claims the Saudi police), under the direction and training of a group lead by an exiled Saudi (bin Laden), whose most infamous act was also carried out mostly by Saudis (the 15 Saudi hijackers on 9-11). The place the Minister’s fellow countrymen trained does not change the fact they are his fellow countrymen, and they came home to launch their attack. You’d think someone with the title “Interior Minister” would be one of the first to clue in that this was an “inside job.” And long has been.
However, it isn’t hard to find odd sentiments expressed by Saudi Ministers over these troubling events: “Foreign Minister Prince Saud al-Faisal also said this week’s attacks, blamed on Osama bin Laden’s al-Qaida terror network, were designed to drive away foreigners, but he insisted Saudi Arabia is safer now than before the car bombings.”
Indeed, it is safer, simply because 9 dangerous terrorists no longer threaten anyone. They blew themselves up, ending their careers in yet another grisly demonstration of the New Al Qaeda Math.
Allow me a cold point. I don’t mean to minimize the deaths of “two Jordanian children, two Filipinos, one Lebanese, one Swiss, [and] seven Saudis” who were killed by the bomb, or the hundreds who were injured. But we all know the attack wasn’t meant for them, Al Qaeda wanted to kill more Americans.
They got eight. To make the attack, Al Qaeda lost the future services of 9 suicide bombers. There’s 250 million Americans, maybe 50,000 of them in Saudi Arabia. This kind of grisly Death Math makes Al Qaeda almost self-destructing (though that would be too ugly a way to “take them out”). Call it a cold point, but this attack further illuminates the basic futility of their goals, as well as the decay of their capabilities.
They used to bring down multiple embassies in simultaneous attacks, rip holes in mighty US naval vessels, topple Towers in Manhattan, and gouge the Pentagon.
Now, they car bomb residential complexes within their native land, after being essentially mute during the weeks of war in Iraq.
Among the 29 victims of their murderous attack were Muslim children, fellow Saudis, random foreign nationals, and, oh, 8 Americans. That type of “collateral damage” by US forces would bring round condemnation, but with Al Qaeda, it’s just part of the plan.
But it is possible this tragedy may be the beginning of a critical mass. Possible.
Here within this thing we haven’t found a better name for than “the Blogosphere,” I can point you to an amazingly wide spectrum of people who believe our relationship with the Saudis is quite sick, for reasons ranging from terror support, to endemic corruption, to the spread of Wahabbist fundamentalism, to their abysmal human rights record, and on and on. You can find fringe theories ranging from official Saudi support and collusion in the 9-11 attacks, to Bush family entanglement with the Saudi Royals, to whatever Michael Moore dreams up to put in his next movie.
What you won’t find is anyone willing to honestly state, “our relationship with Saudi Arabia is normal, and everything’s just fine.” You’ll find exceptions within the Bush administration, the Saudi Royals, and the former US ambassadors suckling the Royals’ teat while spreading the party line on the news networks. But that’s about it.
The Saudi Royals are not our friends, not in the traditional sense of one who is in some way a kindred spirit. Democracy? Freedom of speech, press, or religion? Equal rights for women and minorities? We share no common values, save one; Oil, and the money that flows from it.
Well, maybe … just maybe … we now have a tiny patch of new common ground. Is it enough to build on?
I think it largely depends on how well the Saudis read the winds. In the past, even in the heated weeks after 9-11, it seems their attitude was that they would pay public lip service to righting the wrongs that generated the ill winds, but behind the curtain the behavior would remain the same, just more discreet. However, it’s hard to maintain that fiction when it is your morgues and hospitals filling up with the results of your policies.
And those winds are getting uglier, as people of all stripes begin to catch on to the contradictory philosophies underlying Al Qaeda’s supposed Jihad. And talk about it: “They want to get rid of all the Westerners there, and then all the rest of the foreigners, Muslim though all those Indians and Indonesians and Malaysians might be. The Usual Bunch of Cretins are Arab supremacists just like the Nazis were ’Aryan’ supremacists.”
It’s not just Westerners like Andrea. Indeed, when asked about the fact they’d killed a bunch of Australians when they were targeting Americans, Ali Imron, the Bali bomb-maker, said “Australians, Americans, whatever – they are all white people.”
And for at least today, the Ali Imron’s of the world also hear it from the Arab News: “Those responsible are the new fascists. Merciless, cold and full of hate, with a demented vision of Islam, they declared war on humanity for the thoroughly un-Islamic goal of separating and insulating the Muslim world from the rest of humanity, as part of which they hope to terrorize Westerners into leaving the Kingdom. They have no qualms about killing anyone who gets in their way; they spread hatred and resentment, not peace; yet they have the blasphemous effrontery to claim that they do Gods work.”
“...We cannot say that suicide bombings in Israel and Russia are acceptable but not in Saudi Arabia. The cult of suicide bombings has to stop. So too has the chattering, malicious, vindictive hate propaganda. It has provided a fertile ground for ignorance and hatred to grow.”
Amazing how fundamentalist terrorists killing fellow innocents within your own homeland can focus one’s mind on the enemy. We’ve got a bit of experience at that here, and there are some who argue that until it happens to your home, you can’t fully understand.
Yes, I know this isn’t the first time the Saudis have experienced terror attacks on their soil. But I think it may be the first time they’ve realized … “we’re the target, too.” It remains to be seen if that realization instills a resolve we haven’t seen from them in the past.
But I’ve felt for some time, while the continental US is far from invulnerable, we are a much tougher target now. And Al Qaeda is a much much weaker entity. I think that means future strikes will be limited to softer targets, in countries where they can move about and operate with relative ease. Frankly, I thought that meant Europe could be a likely target.
However, now Saudi Arabia has found out, they are perhaps the softest target of all.
I think it would have been a strategic mistake for Al Qaeda to attack Europe, but this could be a bigger one. Al Qaeda has been quite mute/impotent for some time, despite many promises to the contrary. Clearly weakened, what they need most is a new “safe harbor,” so they can recruit and rebuild. It could be that they’ve chosen to husband and channel whatever resources they have into destabilizing the Saudi Royals. They’d be willing to do that, even if it emptied their tank, if they felt they had a good chance of achieving that primary goal.
If they are truly trying to take over the Saudi pond, they’ll have take on the Big Fish, and it is a Fish of a Different Color. Unimpeded by pesky things like a Bill of Rights, Constitution, open borders, a prying press, or reelection campaigns, if this Fish feels cornered and threatened, it can do pretty much as it pleases within the borders of its pond.
If the Saudis make a sincere and concerted effort to wipe out the “viper in their midst,” their means could make the American Approach look almost, well, European.
If.
But the reality is that the motivations and actions of the Saudis are as muddled and obscured as ever. Whether they claim to be our friend. Or vow to murder us.
Published 01:51PM, Thu, May 15 2003
Category: Saudi Arabia
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The funny thing is, when you talk of a civil war between the Royals and the Wahabbist's, well, , back in the 1920's. The Royals won. Hard as it may be to believe, the branch of Islam known today as Wahabbism is actually a much more moderate form than "the original."
Such rants against the Saudi government...like they owe us more after full cooperation in the first Gulf war--that was what ultimately led to the 9/11 tragedy. It's about oil, oil, oil and that is the framework our foreign policy is based on, so for the House of Saud to take advice from the US would be silly. It is strange that people in this discussion feel it a given. Also the post about the Palestinian suicide bombings...they are a people who have endured a long inhuman occupation and they are desperate. Their take-home message I guess is the roadmap is not adequate. I hope something adequate is proposed soon.
"...like they owe us more after full cooperation in the first Gulf war..." Yes, the Saudis fully cooperated in allowing UN forces to defend their soil, as well as free Kuwait, all of which was done at Saudi invitation, mere days after Saddam invaded Kuwait. You make it sound like the US twisted their arm, when the Saudis requested our help in defending their kingdom. Furthermore, that was a UN effort, with troops from countries in Europe, Africa, the Middle East, and the South Pacific. "Such rants against the Saudi government [...] that was what ultimately led to the 9/11 tragedy." Say what? What rants? Are you saying that our rants against the lack of Saudi government cooperation after the attacks on the Khobar Towers ... caused Al Qaeda to attack New York and Washington? Osama had already been stripped of his Saudi citizenship long before then, and he's had a hard on for the Royals ever since. What ultimately led to the 9/11 tragedy was the actions of hateful souls perverting religion as a shield. Unless you think the murder of thousands was a justifiable response to the "rants" ... mere words ... against the Saudi Royals. Whom Al Qaeda hates. "It's about oil, oil, oil and that is the framework our foreign policy is based on, so for the House of Saud to take advice from the US would be silly. It is strange that people in this discussion feel it a given." Well, there is the slight matter of those Americans who were killed in the latest bombings. Don't we have a right to demand an accounting for those deaths? Or should those families just be told to suck it up? The Saudis, as always, are free to take our advice or not. Over the years, it has mostly been "not." But now, Al Qaeda is killing more Saudis than Americans in their attacks (not to mention the two Jordanian children found charred in each other's arms), and doing it in the Royals backyard. If they choose to ignore our advice, and therefore ignore the implications of these attacks, that's a choice that will have consequences. And they will be dealt out by Al Qaeda, not us.
Photodude you do rant, and you are rather crude, but for some unexplicable reason I am going to continue this: You said: You make it sound like the US twisted their arm, when the Saudis requested our help in defending their kingdom. Furthermore, that was a UN effort, with troops from countries in Europe, Africa, the Middle East, and the South Pacific. I don't think the US twisted their arm, I think it was more of a set up. I am in agreement with the analysis at the following link, and provide a small quote from the larger article to give the upshot. http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/27c/057.html Understanding that the Gulf War was not caused by American concern for Kuwaiti independence is more than a matter of historical interest. The Gulf crisis has revealed the central dynamic in post-Cold War US foreign policy. This is the drive to demonstrate American leadership and hold the Western alliance together by militarising international affairs at every opportunity, even if it means turning little local disputes into major global crises. . .As the issue of Kuwait fades once more into the back- ground, the question now is, where next? [from 'The Cruellest Hoax' by Kirsten Cale, LM 30, April 1991] Written in 1991, not bad since it applies a decade later with Junior Bush at the wheel. You say: Well, there is the slight matter of those Americans who were killed in the latest bombings. Don't we have a right to demand an accounting for those deaths? Or should those families just be told to suck it up? There is no proper payback for the deaths. Why don't we try addressing the roots of these problems instead of continuing the cycle of revenge? I'd take a trip to that website I mentioned for an answer.
"Photodude you do rant, and you are rather crude, but for some unexplicable reason I am going to continue this" And, you, Lynn, stoop to condescending ad hominem as your lead. So happy I could provide a forum for you to do so. As for "proper payback for the deaths," I never said that the Saudis owed us that, or that such a thing even exists. When murders are committed, and the perpetrators and their accessories are sought out, charged, and tried for their crime ... that is not "continuing the cycle of revenge." Our forefathers called that "a justice system," and encoded it in our Constitution. When their associates, who vow to do more of same, are also subjected to a heated chase in hopes of capture, that's not "payback," that's preventive law enforcement ... the kind you'd want in your neighborhood if it was subjected to a series of criminal attacks. When a murder is committed in your home town, is it more important to try to address the roots of the problems that caused the person to murder, or to quickly arrest the person for the safety of the community, as well as any associates who have also vowed to harm it? And if the Saudis, who lost seven citizens in the blasts, decide to "continue the cycle of revenge" by charging and trying any captured perpetrators ... their own citizens ... should we tell them to stop, and try to address the root issues instead? We both face the same enemy. Even the Saudi government appears to be seeing the light, now that the spilled blood of their citizens makes it clear they are a target, too. You and I can go back and forth til our dying day, and you'll never convince me that suicide attacks on innocent civilians is a legitimate means of expression of any type, for any reason. It is the deliberate murder of an innocent, the most heinous act a human can commit, and there can be no potential of philosophical justification.
And your comment about "the post about the Palestinian suicide bombings" has been responded to in the proper place, given that there is new information on that topic.
I think your being an advocate for use of a just judicial process as a response to terror attacks is what I too would see as the proper process to follow. Unfortuanately we have not really followed that in our foreign policy. After 9/11 we had the world on our side and we could have used a police driven response world-wide to track and trap terrorists. Instead we attacked Afghanistan as if we HAD to do something... So we lost much support in that action, and now with the state of Afghanistan being reduced to misery (and some reports that it is returning to Taliban rule) and largely forgotten, we have further lost credibility. Instead of pursuing a legalistic approach to Iraq, through UN inspections and other measures, we attack there and antagonize a huge percentage of the world who now wonder if the US has lost it's moral center. And meanwhile in Guantanimo Bay ... Well, the upshot is that I would wholeheartedly welcome a return to the rule of law.
such things to say about something you do not know anything about . that was what I said to myself when reading this post, I am a Muslim .. and an Arab .. and a Saudi, "terror" .. can you really define that for me? When we hear about Palestinian children being run over by a (Proudly made in America) Israeli tank... you call that (Violence), but when someone fights that tank with nothing but small hand weapons or even rocks... you call that "Terror" ? I'm not saying that what the USA allows Israel to do justifies what happen on 9/11 or what happened in Saudi Arabia, but instead of blaming Islam or the Saudis .. you should look at the root of the problem, you talk about this as if the USA is really interested in World peace and Justice to all .. give me a break! .. we all (even you) know that the USA (regardless of who's on top) looks only for 2 things .. USA interest + Israel's the second can be justified by the strong hold that the rich Jews have on the "privet parts" of every politician in the US, they own banks and companies, they are on the top of wall street .. you can not deny that. I see Muslims getting killed all around the world but more and more in Palestine. By American weapons .. bullets .. and planes .. not bought! .. but gifted to the Jewish nation ... "Jewish nation" ! Jews are the scum of the earth .. its been known since ages, even Shakespeare manifested that. when I see people getting killed by thugs supported my the US .. what should I feel ? .. nothing but hate .. but I don't go killing people, before you play the "Islam is terror" theme .. you should step back .. and take a good at the big picture .. then look in the mirror .. if you think about it .. you will not like what you see ...
I could nitpick on things like the fact Israel makes their own tanks, they don't use the US Abrams tank. I could ask you if you happened to turn on a TV today to see the US President meet with Arab leaders, and bring together the Palestinian and Israeli leaders in an attempt to broker peace for all. I could ask you why the Arab leaders did not create a country called Palestine when they controlled the West Bank and Gaza from 1948 until 1967. But when you say, “Jews are the scum of the earth,” I realize that I'm wasting my time rebutting your words. They speak for themselves, quite loudly. And by the way, the only people killing your fellow Saudis lately ... have been your fellow Saudis in Al Qaeda. Have you saved any hatred for them?



Part of what disturbs me about the Saudi response to this bombing is as Bandar says, "you can rely on us to do our part as we have done in critical times in the past." I'm not at all confident that the Saudi royal family will do much more than provide token action against the terrorists they however inadvertantly foster. I fear it will take much more deadly, and more frequent terrorist action within Saudi Arabia before they stop trying to placate the Wahabbi and concentrate on stopping its terrorist outgrowth. By the time that occurs the operation will quite possibly escalate from a criminal investigation to a civil war.